"Neither of whom is here," Curufin points out, quietly.
"Turgon, if I had it all to do over again, it would all be different. I did not know my own strength in those days, not truly. It did even not occur to me to refuse the Oath when my father demanded his sons swear it with him. And that is the only thing that might have made a difference. I cannot turn the centuries back and change history; all I can do is change the present. I do not ask your forgiveness, for I do not believe I would give it, were I in your position. I only ask that should we face war in this place, you do not refuse an alliance that might serve to save us all. Do not choose death for all of us because I made terrible choices back in those days. It is not a good swap."
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"Turgon, if I had it all to do over again, it would all be different. I did not know my own strength in those days, not truly. It did even not occur to me to refuse the Oath when my father demanded his sons swear it with him. And that is the only thing that might have made a difference. I cannot turn the centuries back and change history; all I can do is change the present. I do not ask your forgiveness, for I do not believe I would give it, were I in your position. I only ask that should we face war in this place, you do not refuse an alliance that might serve to save us all. Do not choose death for all of us because I made terrible choices back in those days. It is not a good swap."